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Audio Discussion => CARVER => Topic started by: Sandy on July 30, 2014, 09:07:40 AM
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Can someone explain to me what the relationship is between Bob and Emotiva? If I'm understanding correctly, Bob was in the picture and is now out of the picture and it all happened in short order. Basically I caught it as a Press Release and had never heard of Emotiva.
Thanks!
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Bob was going to sell his tube amp buisness to them, and then the deal fell through.
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Ah, I see. Which might explain why Emotica has zero tube products? Is the product any good? Seriously, I had not heard of them prior to 48 hours ago....
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Emotiva isn't a bad company; their equipment generally specs out pretty well, and obviously, how it sounds is more or less up to the listener. They wanted to add a line of tube equipment, so they were going to buy out Bob. Bob was all about it at first, but I guess they were doing things he didn't like, so he bailed. A good friend of mine is about to pick up a pair of the XPA-1 monoblocks, and Dicky on this forum has the XPA200. I guess he'd be the guy to ask.
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Emotiva isn't a bad company; their equipment generally specs out pretty well, and obviously, how it sounds is more or less up to the listener. They wanted to add a line of tube equipment, so they were going to buy out Bob. Bob was all about it at first, but I guess they were doing things he didn't like, so he bailed. A good friend of mine is about to pick up a pair of the XPA-1 monoblocks, and Dicky on this forum has the XPA200. I guess he'd be the guy to ask.
Many thanks, I'll ask him. Again, thank you!
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I love mine, and over winter will probably upgrade to the XPA-2. 8W and ESM have heard it too for more opinions.
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Synergy. Dicky has it. I only heard it on 1 pair of speakers so I cannot say it is end all, but Dickys' setup sounded very good. I personally am a fan of their 30 day in home trial.
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I have heard Dicky's setup with quite a variety of speakers. Technics Linear Phase SB-6060's, Fourier 6's, Polk RTi 150's, Polk Monitor 7's, Klipsch Heresys, and others I'm sure I am forgetting.
I like the overall sound of the Emovita amp / preamp combo. The sound is detailed and full without being overly bright. The bass is excellent. Midrange frequencies are clear and analytical. High frequencies are quick and up front without being too aggressive.
In addition, the gear is well built. Even the remote control for the Emovita preamp is a machined aluminum brick that is both aesthetically and functionally pleasant to operate.
What is the relationship to Bob? Emovita is his father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate. >:D
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Not to hijack the thread but I really liked my Fourier 6's. Are yours all original?
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Not to hijack the thread but I really liked my Fourier 6's. Are yours all original?
I enjoy them too. I've been trying to get them off of Dicky for at least a year now. :)
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Other than foam, yes.
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Emotiva is good mid-fi gear. Fairly reliable, better than average sound.
I have the 500w xpa 1's. They are good, but anything below 4 ohm dips they have trouble. Yes, dedicated 30amp line! They claim to be stable, but are in fact NOT.
IM HAPPY WITH THEM FOR PRICE etc etc. still considering selling and calling on the red 300w tubes carver is currently making. Or klaus at odyssey. We will see
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Emotiva is good mid-fi gear. Fairly reliable, better than average sound.
I have the 500w xpa 1's. They are good, but anything below 4 ohm dips they have trouble. Yes, dedicated 30amp line! They claim to be stable, but are in fact NOT.
IM HAPPY WITH THEM FOR PRICE etc etc. still considering selling and calling on the red 300w tubes carver is currently making. Or klaus at odyssey. We will see
I have the XPA-1 Gen2 monoblocks, and they have no problem dropping below 4 ohms whatsoever. I would pick them over any Sunfire amp.
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I wouldn't call Emotiva Mid-Fi, and I'd take them over any Carver I have heard.
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It's definitely NOT in the real hi-fi. The top 5 not even close.
But it is good, no bs there! I am happy with them. I have the gen. 1 mono's
I was one ofthe first 5 to buy the special edition st. Jude mono blocks.
If I could trade in for the sunfire signature~two. I would in a New York minute
Sunfire all day every day, better sound.
I have one, blows pants off of the emo mono's. In emotive defense, I love the sound of the xpa's, they are in your face, and make my upgraded D-9's sound awesome.
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It's definitely NOT in the real hi-fi. The top 5 not even close.
But it is good, no bs there! I am happy with them. I have the gen. 1 mono's
I was one ofthe first 5 to buy the special edition st. Jude mono blocks.
If I could trade in for the sunfire signature~two. I would in a New York minute
Sunfire all day every day, better sound.
I have one, blows pants off of the emo mono's. In emotive defense, I love the sound of the xpa's, they are in your face, and make my upgraded D-9's sound awesome.
Not sure you've actually heard either the Sunfire or the Emotiva. If you have, you'd recognize immediately which one is better. The clarity of the Emotivas blow away the Sunfire. Back when the Sunfire came out, I'm sure it was the bee's knees, but the Emos today (at least the XPA-1's) will wipe the floor with the Sunfire gear. I've spent countless hours listening to Sunfire amps, and the Emotivas, and there's no doubt in my mind which one is better. The only carver option out there that I would concede to is the Lightstars... and I'd still take the Emos just because I couldn't afford to repair the lightstar every 6 months.
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In emotiv[a] defense, I love the sound of the xpa's, they are in your face
At least one thing an amp shouldn't be, IMO.
I corrected your spelling error as Emotive amps are anything but in your face.
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:-) Jesse caught it...
Emotive Audio is a different competitor altogether..
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/superioraudio/equipment/0803/emotivecalile.htm (http://www.enjoythemusic.com/superioraudio/equipment/0803/emotivecalile.htm)
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Bathory is listening through Cerwin-Vega D9s, which are not the most resolving speakers, but more of a rock and roll speaker.....not that there is anything wrong with that. However, D9s are 101 dB efficient, so don't require much amp power to achieve deafening levels. See the specification sheet below:
http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=100203 (http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=100203)
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I would classify any C-W speakers I have heard over the years as mid-fi at best. My opinion of course
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Now that is how bar fights get started :P But that is my sense as well, the CVs have a strong following but it is not in the audiophile crowd.
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I would classify any C-W speakers I have heard over the years as mid-fi at best. My opinion of course
I was thinking that too. I had a 2.1 CV setup when I was in high school... to this day, I still don't understand why they sounded like they couldn't put out anything over 12k... and all of the drivers (including the tweeters) were working...
CVs have a strong following but it is not in the audiophile crowd.
Bose has a strong following too.
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CVs have a strong following but it is not in the audiophile crowd.
Bose has a strong following too.
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The CVs of two decades ago are well thought of in the vintage audio community, they had a niche in the 'under $1K' range for efficient LOUDspeakers. The Bose following consists of marketing-hymnoptized zombies of the yuppy type. I think it is unfair to classify the CV followers as similar to the Bose dingbats. >:D
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Hahahahah. Pot stirrers. Cv is not audiophile, I don't use that word, as what makes something audiophile. Price, the name on a speaker. Your all sheep. And Bose is shit
My new rc-70 sound wicked! Even better bi amped with sunfire.
So a speaker at 12000 dollars is audiophile because it's expensive. Whereas a QSC is not???? Hahahahah. Sheep!
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Nothing to do with price...but everything to do with SQ
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Hahahahah. Pot stirrers. Cv is not audiophile, I don't use that word, as what makes something audiophile. Price, the name on a speaker. Your all sheep. And Bose is shit
My new rc-70 sound wicked! Even better bi amped with sunfire.
So a speaker at 12000 dollars is audiophile because it's expensive. Whereas a QSC is not???? Hahahahah. Sheep!
“It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.” Mark Twain.
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ok
thanks for making me feel welcome in these forums. your all class acts
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Some folks here are better at making people feel welcome than others, but the hostility that seems to have arisen is hardly one sided IMHO. I think it started with you definitely stating what is and isn't "the real hi-fi". People (even if perhaps they shouldn't) get really worked up over that sort of thing. Once you were called on that, you called people "pot stirrers" and "sheep". When you are the new guy it is often wise to lay a bit low and get a feel for the "lay of the land".
Since you don't feel welcome here (I have no issue with you, BTW), perhaps you could share a list of the on line communities where you do feel welcome.
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Wow. A little sarcastic humor and all hell breaks loose. I thought dudes were supposed to like the camaraderie. Not in this forum ?
Im sorry if i offended anyone. .
Nothing like forcing someone to feel small
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It's easy to misconstrue the intended nuance in written communications. Some folks here do playfully banter with each other quite harshly and it is not taken in a negative way at all. That said, those folks have built a relationship with one another over quite some time and have gone so far as to meet each other in real life.
I think a rapport is still being established which may have led to the reaction. This is a community made up of different personalities; where some are laid back, some are comical, some are direct, some are sarcastic, some are sensitive and some pedantic etc.
When integrating into a community you have to navigate and understand that and also allow others to understand where you stand as well.
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Well said MasterBlaster. It's no secret that I've had a tiff or 2 with another member here. It either blows over or someone apologizes (yes I've done that) and we agree to disagree, but on friendly terms.
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This is a community made up of different personalities; where some are laid back, some are comical, some are direct, some are sarcastic, some are sensitive and some pedantic etc.
And some are just plain ole dickheads. >:D
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And some are just plain ole dickheads. >:D
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Another good point. LOL
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Still think this criticism of CV speakers is not based on sound data (see what I did there?).
And Bathory: apologies for us being us - we can be a bit dysfunctional, but that is part of the charm of this group - please don't take it personally. I have met Papabearjew, for example, and he is a decent human being in person.
I would stay away from me though... I give Mexicans a bad rep.
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OBG
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I'd rather be a dickhead than an asshole. :laugh:
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Bathory is listening through Cerwin-Vega D9s, which are not the most resolving speakers, but more of a rock and roll speaker.....not that there is anything wrong with that. However, D9s are 101 dB efficient, so don't require much amp power to achieve deafening levels. See the specification sheet below:
http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=100203 (http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=100203)
All reworked crossovers, air core, better capacitors, resistors, silver and copper wire throughout. Both mids sealed. And new 139 oz. magnets on the custom made woofers. They are a supercharged version of d-9's and are amazing.
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I should have incorporated the Vifa tweeter when I did this, but they won't handle the power. They sound amazing, way better than stock. I have 2 pair, 1 stock, and then my supercharged ones I helped make. And yes the xpa 1's really bring them alive. The rotel rb1090 sounded a bit better in the low end, but was plagued with inrush current problems and on the last time Sparks and a nice 3 inch blue flash blew out of the top of the amp. I no longer have it. Went QSC until I saved and had the cash, then noticed the emotiva special Ed mono's st Jude edition. I will also s at the sunfire 600 sig, still sounds better. I don't have the gen 2 version, so maybe they sound better than my gen 1 versions.
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All reworked crossovers, air core, better capacitors, resistors, silver and copper wire throughout. Both mids sealed. And new 139 oz. magnets on the custom made woofers. They are a supercharged version of d-9's and are amazing.
I surmise these modded D-9s are not your normal CVs and must sound pretty sweet.
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Yes they do sound much better. Used way better parts on the crossovers, they opened up like crazy. Bass not as boomy due to a much larger magnet and thicker surround.
Midrange is actually very very good now, great separation of the instruments. But the same tweeter which is not bad, but if you know d9's not the greatest.
They took several hundred hours to really blossom, as about %90 of the caps/ resistors/ coils in xovers were all new much higher quality parts. I am very happy with them. They are stupid loud. But dont seem to have fatigue,as they are so much better sounding and not as bright on loud music. Mostly metal. Sodom, celtic frost, venom, raven, tank etc etc! My new energy rc-70's are extremely wicked sounding, i could not be happier, they replaced ........ahem...cough.. Bic dv-84's. So from a extremely bright speaker to the much warmer rc-70 is quite the change. But waaaay less fatigue when listening.
I must say the bic's are very good speakers. They took a long time to break in the tweeter, but do sound great. If they had had a midrange, nothing would touch its sound quality imho, even at the 5000 range. But with 2 8" and tweeter and 2 8" passives. And for 250 pair shipped. What do you expect. I know they use all vifa drivers which are great. If they only had a midrange, i would be hard pressed to find a better speaker, ever
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Yes they do sound much better. Used way better parts on the crossovers, they opened up like crazy. Bass not as boomy due to a much larger magnet and thicker surround.
Midrange is actually very very good now, great separation of the instruments. But the same tweeter which is not bad, but if you know d9's not the greatest.
They took several hundred hours to really blossom, as about %90 of the caps/ resistors/ coils in xovers were all new much higher quality parts. I am very happy with them. They are stupid loud. But dont seem to have fatigue,as they are so much better sounding and not as bright on loud music. Mostly metal. Sodom, celtic frost, venom, raven, tank etc etc! My new energy rc-70's are extremely wicked sounding, i could not be happier, they replaced ........ahem...cough.. Bic dv-84's. So from a extremely bright speaker to the much warmer rc-70 is quite the change. But waaaay less fatigue when listening.
I must say the bic's are very good speakers. They took a long time to break in the tweeter, but do sound great. If they had had a midrange, nothing would touch its sound quality imho, even at the 5000 range. But with 2 8" and tweeter and 2 8" passives. And for 250 pair shipped. What do you expect. I know they use all vifa drivers which are great. If they only had a midrange, i would be hard pressed to find a better speaker, ever
Celtic Frost is f**king awesome. I met them back in 2006 when they toured for Monotheist. Incredible performance.
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Yes they do sound much better. Used way better parts on the crossovers, they opened up like crazy. Bass not as boomy due to a much larger magnet and thicker surround.
Midrange is actually very very good now, great separation of the instruments. But the same tweeter which is not bad, but if you know d9's not the greatest.
They took several hundred hours to really blossom, as about %90 of the caps/ resistors/ coils in xovers were all new much higher quality parts. I am very happy with them. They are stupid loud. But dont seem to have fatigue,as they are so much better sounding and not as bright on loud music. Mostly metal. Sodom, celtic frost, venom, raven, tank etc etc! My new energy rc-70's are extremely wicked sounding, i could not be happier, they replaced ........ahem...cough.. Bic dv-84's. So from a extremely bright speaker to the much warmer rc-70 is quite the change. But waaaay less fatigue when listening.
I must say the bic's are very good speakers. They took a long time to break in the tweeter, but do sound great. If they had had a midrange, nothing would touch its sound quality imho, even at the 5000 range. But with 2 8" and tweeter and 2 8" passives. And for 250 pair shipped. What do you expect. I know they use all vifa drivers which are great. If they only had a midrange, i would be hard pressed to find a better speaker, ever
Celtic Frost is f**king awesome. I met them back in 2006 when they toured for Monotheist. Incredible performance.
Me too. Killer band. Met em in chicago. I think lamb of god opened. If i remember correctly.
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Me too. Killer band. Met em in chicago. I think lamb of god opened. If i remember correctly.
Saw Lamb of God in 2004 when they were still good. Went to their concert about a year ago to see Testament, but left before Lamb of God got on stage.