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PoLiTiCs => What's on your cranium??? => Topic started by: Jim Pittsburgh on May 28, 2015, 08:07:10 AM
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https://www.facebook.com/pittsburgh.fest/photos/a.276000455857469.1073741825.276000429190805/289711551153026/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/pittsburgh.fest/photos/a.276000455857469.1073741825.276000429190805/289711551153026/?type=1&theater)
This Saturday at the newly opened Spirit 51st St Lawrenceville
Anyone going? Might be a nice location to do a little record " looking" and catch a beer? I don't know Lawrenceville that well... open to suggestions?
Jim
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I may be in - need to check w the missus. How far is Lawrenceville?
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It's 2-3 miles up 28 from downtown. Never been to one of these, might have to check it out.
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I may make an appearance.
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11 hours, 12 minutes for me....doubt I'll make it! :(
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Kingman don't be a wimp, just leave at 5 am.
:P
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A really nice event...... lots of dealers and albums to buy. Loved the crowd! Had to be 25 - 30 years older than most.... weirdest part though was that other than one or two other people, including Pepe and my neighbor, people were not examining album condition before buying... they'd just look at the covers and buy them... Totally beyond me how / why anyone would do that... Don't they know that albums aren't suppose to sound like your listening with crinkling cellophane next to your ears.... or maybe it's they love the rhythm of the ticks every revolution?
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I had to open my wife's aunt's pool and missed it. I love records and hate pools so I'm bitter.
Could internet purchasing be the cause of people buying without looking? I know there are times, albeit very few, where I see a cover and the price and it's just going to come home with me regardless of condition. Like a $2 Muddy Waters record.
Beyond checking the condition of the record is making sure it's the matching record for the jacket. Found a mismatch at HPB awhile back.
I know a very limited amount of deadwax knowledge, so I don't check that very often. I wish I knew better how to visually predict the sound quality, at least get in the right ballpark. Too many times a record looks great and then it sounds like a bacon frying fest.
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I'll give you a good deadwax rule of thumb. Hand written almost always trumps machine stamped. Also, the more info, the better.
Past that, this link should make your head spin for a while...
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=314200&highlight=deadwax (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=314200&highlight=deadwax)
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Thanks for the link. To date most of my deadwax looking has been for RL, PECKO, PORKY, etc on Zeppelin records. and a few choice other records. A yr or so ago, a good friend who is a LZ nut and was telling about rare pressings and what not and how he could never find them except way over priced copies on eBay. Within a couple weeks I found multiple IV's and a couple Houses of Holy at Half Price Books. A couple of them were $1 and the most expensive was 3.99. He's listened to all of them and has says he has notes on them all. FWIW, the Pecko Duck IV sounds insanely better than the recent reissues.
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Lots of RL IVs. It is RL IIs that are scarce.
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TML in the dead wax means it was mastered by Doug Sax at The Mastering Lab, as Anders pointed out to me recently. TML-M means it came from the master lathe, s=slave. After Anders pointed this out I found a few TML records in my collection and they do tend to sound better than average.
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TML just means The Mastering Lab. There were a few cutters there. It has to also say "Doug" to know for sure it was Doug Sax. Besides the TML - M & S, you may also occasionally see an "X", if there were three cutters chained together.
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At least two of the records I bought at Recordfest are in crappy shape, I am going to set up a separate table for LPs that have led a rough life (but have good tunes on them) so I do not wear out the good needle on them. I need to buy 3X reading glasses for recordfests so I can really examine the media before buying - the flashligh helped but was not enough (obviously).
The Mingus Me Myself An Eye is in amazing shape - that one I will spin often, as I am now:
(http://rymimg.com/lk/f/l/3952760b4bfb2bdbf7a8101e3692d982/1515532.jpg)
Ian - the live Take Five by Brubeck was great! A bit worn out but still very good!
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Was the flashlight LED or filament? I use the 9 led lights that Harbor Freight gives away and my only issue with it is that it makes every little scuff too obvious.
Tip: the darker the area you use it in, the better it makes scuffs/scratches stand out. White light or other colored light lowers it's effectiveness.
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thanks for the dead wax codes, very much appreciated.
When looking for albums, the first thing I look for is any indications of sharp lines... which means a scratch or at least a sharp strike or rub of some kind. After that I look for a consistent color/ shine excluding scuffs from sticking it into the sleeve etc. Between the two I can usually get about +90% to 95% primary system play, which means NO scratches and few ticks / pops... the rest go to the garage for the Technics 1200 to play with lol I do get fooled occasionally though by a "dead" album that's been over played or just a plain bad pressing. And I always clean albums before I play them... once or twice through the Spin Clean /distilled water spray rinse and rolled aggressively with the "In the Groove".
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Lots of RL IVs. It is RL IIs that are scarce.
(http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq175/3scorpio33/LZII%20RL_zps0smssext.jpg) (http://s445.photobucket.com/user/3scorpio33/media/LZII%20RL_zps0smssext.jpg.html)
This was in one of two boxes of records a friend gave me, his aunt and uncle got a divorce and she hid the records in his basement. Sat for about 5 yrs and they found their way to me. This wasn't even the best of the lot...a minty promo of Black Sabbath's debut was also in there.
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http://www.ebay.com/sch/Records-/176985/i.html?_from=R40&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&_nkw=led+zeppelin+ii+ludwig (http://www.ebay.com/sch/Records-/176985/i.html?_from=R40&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&_nkw=led+zeppelin+ii+ludwig)
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Was the Sabbath WB or Vertigo? I just got a clean green label WB, Artisan pressing from Carl at the swap. I haven't listened yet.
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The Sabbath is a white label WB. Stamped promotional only not for sale.
The LZ, I never figured out. The label has ST-A-691671 CP on side 1. ST-A-691672 CP on side two. Dead wax has the same with nothing after those strings. RL and very tiny SS on both sides. There may be a 3 on side one in the deadwax but it's very hard to see. Regardless it's not likely ever going to be sold.
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Can you post a pic of the Sabbath promo? What songs are on it?
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still find it weird not looking at vinyl condition..... lol Of the albums these people were buying, there weren't that many that were exclusive to one dealer there. To me, I'd rather have a clean, quiet copy otherwise I move to digital for that album. To me it defeats the "advantages" of vinyl when the sound/ music are polluted with noise, ticks and pops... And I think I miss the artists intent when I'm distracted by ticks and pops. Of course that's other than Motown, which seemed to all be engineered to sound good only on an AM car radio.
I'm always on the hunt for clean copies or none at all.... Heck it took me four tries to get a good copy of Janis Joplin's Pearl and three copies of the Stones Beggars Banquet and Marvin Gaye's "whats going on" I guess I'm not a collector at all, but rather a "listener". Can't imagine ever selling an album...
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Can you post a pic of the Sabbath promo? What songs are on it?
(http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq175/3scorpio33/FullSizeRender-3_zpsomkjbecx.jpg) (http://s445.photobucket.com/user/3scorpio33/media/FullSizeRender-3_zpsomkjbecx.jpg.html)
(http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq175/3scorpio33/FullSizeRender-2_zpsapf0gbrp.jpg) (http://s445.photobucket.com/user/3scorpio33/media/FullSizeRender-2_zpsapf0gbrp.jpg.html)
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Thanks! I was hoping some songs not on first album. Still love to have it!
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The desirability of WLPs comes from them being the first copies stamped from the approved stamper. I've never met a WLP I didn't like!
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Ian - the live Take Five by Brubeck was great! A bit worn out but still very good!
Cool!!!
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still find it weird not looking at vinyl condition..... lol Of the albums these people were buying, there weren't that many that were exclusive to one dealer there. To me, I'd rather have a clean, quiet copy otherwise I move to digital for that album. To me it defeats the "advantages" of vinyl when the sound/ music are polluted with noise, ticks and pops... And I think I miss the artists intent when I'm distracted by ticks and pops. Of course that's other than Motown, which seemed to all be engineered to sound good only on an AM car radio.
I'm always on the hunt for clean copies or none at all.... Heck it took me four tries to get a good copy of Janis Joplin's Pearl and three copies of the Stones Beggars Banquet and Marvin Gaye's "whats going on" I guess I'm not a collector at all, but rather a "listener". Can't imagine ever selling an album...
Jim,
I twas nice meeting you the other night at the fest, my take on the fest is if one is a serious collector looking for the mint vinyl you might run into a handful of folks there who have the goods. Mostly I think it's a generational thing with a lot of people getting back into vinyl and not really paying attention to quality. I would also say they need better lighting in there for people to examine the vinyl.
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lol heck, the lighting was at least as good as Jerry's Records lol
Interesting phenomenon with the "new to vinyl" folks buying the way the do... They are driving up prices and clearing out basements, but think that long term someone needs to get these folks to actually listen to a good system and hear how it's suppose to sound lol
The crash will be big and sudden when it happens... love that Pepsi Blast commercial with the hipster saying "but vinyl sounds so much warmer"
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I wonder how many of the hipsters are playing these records on record grinding Crosleys. Once they get bored and turn those records back into the wild it could be a nightmare for listeners/collectors.