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Buy Sell Trade Audio Equipment => Looking for something special? => Topic started by: Sir Thrift-a-Lot on October 18, 2018, 08:40:52 PM
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Some of us at AK are looking at a group buy. This is such a slick system and such a great price that I thought some folks here might be interested (I'm looking at you, Pepe). Some of you guys spent more than this on speaker cables.
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/CE-GS-RoHs-Codyson-ultrasonic-vinyl_60657551731.html (https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/CE-GS-RoHs-Codyson-ultrasonic-vinyl_60657551731.html)
Watch the video. WOW!!! I LOVE that spindle design. That seems so much less fussy than the DIY ones with the spindle fitting into a keyhole on each end and water splashing everywhere as you remove the records. Count me as highly interested. I wish the video had sound. I'd like to know how loud the motor and US transducer are. Scroll down and notice the black and yellow version (Pittsburgh proud, baby!). I'm sold.
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Now I'm not so sure. I can't figure out how to estimate the shipping, so that may make it cost prohibitive. I am waiting for more info.
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watching this closely....
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The spindle is pretty slick, allowing you to clean multiple records at once. Is there a vacuum though? I kind of feel like that part of the process makes a big difference. I picked up a VPI cleaner for $275.00 - just for reference
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Interested but skeptical. The records coming out wet is a turn off. Seems I’d have to re-rinse and vac dry them. However, that price is real good.
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None of the DIY units dry. You have to get up to about two grand for a US system with a dryer. For me, I would use this for records that didn't respond well to vacuum cleaning and I would vacuum clean them again after the treatment. With Carl's US system they come out wet, and I just give them another quick clean after and I can tell you that the ultrasound definitely gets some albums much cleaner than just the vacuum.
I figure that perhaps the vacuum can't get off the 40 years of baked on deposits, but it can get off the tiny bit of cleaning fluid left on by the US. If we can find a way to keep this under $300 with the shipping, I'm all over it, and you know how cheap I am.
Also, some people don't use any chemical in the US, just distilled water. I guess the sonic waves are like sand blasting and no chemical is really necessary (but I haven't tried that, I've only read it). I believe Carl uses a few drops of TergiClean in his US tank (hopefully he will correct me if I'm wrong).
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I'm interested, especially after having a demo of this type of cleaner at Carl's last week. I tried contacting the fellow who Carl bought his from but no reply yet.
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None of the DIY units dry. You have to get up to about two grand for a US system with a dryer. For me, I would use this for records that didn't respond well to vacuum cleaning and I would vacuum clean them again after the treatment. With Carl's US system they come out wet, and I just give them another quick clean after and I can tell you that the ultrasound definitely gets some albums much cleaner than just the vacuum.
I figure that perhaps the vacuum can't get off the 40 years of baked on deposits, but it can get off the tiny bit of cleaning fluid left on by the US. If we can find a way to keep this under $300 with the shipping, I'm all over it, and you know how cheap I am.
Also, some people don't use any chemical in the US, just distilled water. I guess the sonic waves are like sand blasting and no chemical is really necessary (but I haven't tried that, I've only read it). I believe Carl uses a few drops of TergiClean in his US tank (hopefully he will correct me if I'm wrong).
With that said, I can see the advantage. Please let us know when you have more info. Seems like there may be a 500 unit minimum, yikes. Also looks to be other options like ordering 2 at $320 per unit plus shipping.
Thinking outside the box...if one of you were to obtain one of these, would you be interested in charging a buck or two or three to clean records? Might be a good way to lower your cost.
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Interestingly enough the guy I bought the RCM off of was a chemist. He made his own fluid with distilled water, alcohol, and foto-flo (or something close to that name, designed for use with film). I actually have the recipe written on a huge jug of it that he gave me, I just remember it being extremely diluted. Mostly water, some alcohol, tiny bit of "foto" something that is a discontinued product (i have some). Cool guy, claimed to be the exact recipe of VPI cleaning solution - seemed to know what he was talking about.
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Thinking outside the box...if one of you were to obtain one of these, would you be interested in charging a buck or two or three to clean records? Might be a good way to lower your cost.
Well, the only people who I could easily market that to would be you guys, and I'd have a hard time charging most of you anything. However, I can justify the cost by being able to put "ultrasonic cleaned" in my record ads. I think there would be value in that both perceived and actual, to the record buying public.
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Interestingly enough the guy I bought the RCM off of was a chemist. He made his own fluid with distilled water, alcohol, and foto-flo (or something close to that name, designed for use with film). I actually have the recipe written on a huge jug of it that he gave me, I just remember it being extremely diluted. Mostly water, some alcohol, tiny bit of "foto" something that is a discontinued product (i have some). Cool guy, claimed to be the exact recipe of VPI cleaning solution - seemed to know what he was talking about.
Foto Flo is a floculant. It was used in film processing (thus the name). It makes dirt adhere to itself and not redistribute through the solvent (water). I use a product sold on Amazon called "Tergi-Kleen". One small tube makes between 100-200 gallons, so it ends up being practically free and it works great. With a mentally challenged son and a young grand baby in the house, I don't need to be doing the whole chemistry thing. I fill a 32 oz spray bottle with distilled water, add five drops of the solution and I'm done. Simple, cheap, highly effective.
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I think Foto Flow is still available at Hobby Lobby or Hobby Town last I checked. All of these cleaning solutions work to some degree. Hell, even plain water will clean a dirty record. Cleaning solutions also are very good in eliminating or reducing static. I use the Tergitol that Stal noted. Good stuff!
I am sold on ultra sonic cleaners. A lot of various DIY units and configurations are out there. One of the unknowns for me is the effect of the various ultrasound frequencies. There are several different transducer frequencies available. 20, 40, 60 L. Which one is better or potentially harmful is still a subject of debate.
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This is not a $200 ultrasonic but what are thoughts about this one I am looking at?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/282839885490 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/282839885490)
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Attach a record holding bracket to this and save $400
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Stainless-Steel-10L-Industry-Heated-Ultrasonic-Cleaner-Heater-w-Timer/201970330204?epid=2175796555&hash=item2f065eaa5c:g:XBIAAOSwY3BZJGqW (https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Stainless-Steel-10L-Industry-Heated-Ultrasonic-Cleaner-Heater-w-Timer/201970330204?epid=2175796555&hash=item2f065eaa5c:g:XBIAAOSwY3BZJGqW)
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Attach a record holding bracket to this and save $400
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Stainless-Steel-10L-Industry-Heated-Ultrasonic-Cleaner-Heater-w-Timer/201970330204?epid=2175796555&hash=item2f065eaa5c:g:XBIAAOSwY3BZJGqW (https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Stainless-Steel-10L-Industry-Heated-Ultrasonic-Cleaner-Heater-w-Timer/201970330204?epid=2175796555&hash=item2f065eaa5c:g:XBIAAOSwY3BZJGqW)
Great. Give me a bracket.
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Attach a record holding bracket to this and save $400
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Stainless-Steel-10L-Industry-Heated-Ultrasonic-Cleaner-Heater-w-Timer/201970330204?epid=2175796555&hash=item2f065eaa5c:g:XBIAAOSwY3BZJGqW (https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Stainless-Steel-10L-Industry-Heated-Ultrasonic-Cleaner-Heater-w-Timer/201970330204?epid=2175796555&hash=item2f065eaa5c:g:XBIAAOSwY3BZJGqW)
Great. Give me a bracket.
Bracket:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/CleanerVinyl-Lift-Ultrasonic-Vinyl-Record-Cleaning-and-Drying/323303379763?hash=item4b46621333 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/CleanerVinyl-Lift-Ultrasonic-Vinyl-Record-Cleaning-and-Drying/323303379763?hash=item4b46621333)
Or bracket with tank:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/CleanerVinyl-One-Easy-to-Use-Ultrasonic-Vinyl-Record-Cleaner/323178203700?hash=item4b3eec0a34 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/CleanerVinyl-One-Easy-to-Use-Ultrasonic-Vinyl-Record-Cleaner/323178203700?hash=item4b3eec0a34)
Potential problem with this bracket or cleaner bracket looks to be it doesn't cover the labels. Not having used a system like this, not sure if it IS an issue or not.
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the first link still requires you to buy all of the other materials. The second link doesn't lift, it's no better than a DIY. I still like the one at the top of this thread MUCH better.
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Without a doubt I'd rather have an ultrasonic that does at least three records at a time. The good news is there are a lot more options and cheaper options than a year ago. Between some med bills and holidays coming up, I have to watch from the sidelines. Luckily the VPI I rebuilt is still going strong, but sometime next year it would be nice to upgrade for a deeper clean.
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Interesting looking device. It may be overpriced as the ultrasonic tank (6L) should be around $125. The manual sliding bracket, motor drive, label covers/spacer should be around $300. It look like some thought effort was put into the design.
I can state without hesitation the tank and the ultrasonic cleaning transducers work well on that tank as displayed. I have that same unit. Chinese built but it works! Members here have heard the results on their records that I cleaned.
These designs are getting better and the price point is moving lower.
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Thanks for the feedback. I contacted them and they said the motor spins 6 revolutions a minute. I plan to make them an offer of $400 and see how it goes. You never know.
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Well, those sellers countered my offer of $375 with an offer of 6% off their sang price so about 575 including the 55 Shipping. Might just order the ultra cleaner unit and that upright spinner.
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I think the one in the link spins at 6 rpm, mine is 1/2 rpm. I don't know if speed is an issue for effective cleaning?
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Yes, I think slower would be better. The Sonic Spin kit allows 1.5 to 7 minutes per revolution.
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minutes per revolution or rpm?
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Copy says variable speed. ..."minutes per record revolution"
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Record-Vinyl-Stack-ULTRA-Sonic-Spin-Kit-for-Ultrasonic-Cleaning-Vinyl-Records/161402849405 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Record-Vinyl-Stack-ULTRA-Sonic-Spin-Kit-for-Ultrasonic-Cleaning-Vinyl-Records/161402849405)
This is at $275. anyone in if I can talk them into two for $500 shipping included?
Still have to get the Ultrasonic reservoir which I think ill be another $125
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Also seeing this heating unit for around $115 .
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Stainless-Steel-10L-Industry-Heated-Ultrasonic-Cleaner-Heater-w-Timer (https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Stainless-Steel-10L-Industry-Heated-Ultrasonic-Cleaner-Heater-w-Timer)
Anyone interested in one if I can get the price down to $100 each by ordering a few?
Carl Is this the same one you have? Thinking I might want a higher frequency than 40 Hz I think this is. Any opinions?
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not ignoring you.... giving it some thought, since I already have a VPI that I really like.
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Found a 6L Ultrasonic heater for under $100 so ordering one shortly.
This is a terrible disease!!!!!
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Ordered the 3 LP Ultra sonic spin kit.
seller has some "seconds" that may have a few marks on the chrome but is mechanically perfect at a discounted price.
Now waiting to hear back on my offer for the 6L tank.
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When you upgrade I call dibbs on this US system since my hand me down RCM went to you. ;D
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While reading something else I saw this posted:
http://positive-feedback.com/audio-discourse/rushton-paul-diy-approach-ultrasonic-cleaning-lps/ (http://positive-feedback.com/audio-discourse/rushton-paul-diy-approach-ultrasonic-cleaning-lps/)
EN, you've had your setup awhile, would you order all the same stuff again? Curious how the 6L tank is working out, looks like the 10L tanks are @ $120.
This is for us weirdo vinyl nuts, not sure the digital guys' DACs will survive a trip through the tank! ;)
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I have had a 6L tank for two years. Used it fairly frequently and like the results. I was pondering buying a 10L tank as I could clean four lps at once with a wider tank. That would be a benefit as more and more lp releases are two lps. No more splitting an lp into two different cleaning cycles in the tank.
This technology for record cleaning is still being refined but is growing. More and more DIY drives out there.
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I have had a 6L tank for two years. Used it fairly frequently and like the results. I was pondering buying a 10L tank as I could clean four lps at once with a wider tank. That would be a benefit as more and more lp releases are two lps. No more splitting an lp into two different cleaning cycles in the tank.
This technology for record cleaning is still being refined but is growing. More and more DIY drives out there.
How many LPs do you clean with the 6L tank at the same time? Seems there is an "argument" over the spacing between records, some say 1.5" minimum, others say 1". I'm leaning 10L tank with 4 record Sonic Spin.
Another question I haven't seen asked, do you use the cleaner for things other than vinyl? Jewelry, tools, grandma's silverware?
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I have been using the cleaner quite a bit. It takes a while to establish a optimal routine. I clean 3 records at a time. My plan is to start listing some for sale on the various forums and EBay. Hoping that 'ultrasonically cleaned' will be a attractive selling point. Definitely glad with the purchase. Since I don't buy many 45 double LPs, three at a time works fine Don't use it for anything else.
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Also wanted to mention that I got a discount on the Sonic Spin because I was fine with getting one that had "less than perfect" looks. I had made an offer of $250 to them and they mentioned this. It has a scuff or to but nothing noticeable without careful examination. I see they have a specials page here
https://thevinylstack.com/specials/
Probably should look into getting a pump or at least filtering the solution with a coffee filter. I've only been using dish detergent but will be ordering some Tergitol soon.
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How many LPs do you clean with the 6L tank at the same time? Seems there is an "argument" over the spacing between records, some say 1.5" minimum, others say 1". I'm leaning 10L tank with 4 record Sonic Spin.
Another question I haven't seen asked, do you use the cleaner for things other than vinyl? Jewelry, tools, grandma's silverware?
I clean three records at a time in the 6L. I could do 4 with the 10L tank.
The 6L tank come with a basket to clean jewelry or parts but I have never used it for such. I do have a small ultrasonic cleaner for jewelry, etc.
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Thanks guys. I've ordered a 10L tank and 4 record vinyl stack.
That was the easy part...been reading about cleaning solutions to be used...it's worse than cable or motor oil arguments. For my VPI I've mixed up my own solution so I plan to go do so again. After figuring out what I want to use, acquiring it is insane. $11 for a pint of fluid and $11 to ship it!
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Thanks guys. I've ordered a 10L tank and 4 record vinyl stack.
That was the easy part...been reading about cleaning solutions to be used...it's worse than cable or motor oil arguments. For my VPI I've mixed up my own solution so I plan to go do so again. After figuring out what I want to use, acquiring it is insane. $11 for a pint of fluid and $11 to ship it!
So concentrated you only need drops. I've had this vial for over a year and it's not even half gone, and I clean a lot of records.
https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Archivist-TergiKleenTM-Tergitol-based-Concentrate/dp/B019YI38Z2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1550097475&sr=8-1&keywords=tergikleen (https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Archivist-TergiKleenTM-Tergitol-based-Concentrate/dp/B019YI38Z2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1550097475&sr=8-1&keywords=tergikleen)
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How many LPs do you clean with the 6L tank at the same time? Seems there is an "argument" over the spacing between records, some say 1.5" minimum, others say 1". I'm leaning 10L tank with 4 record Sonic Spin.
Another question I haven't seen asked, do you use the cleaner for things other than vinyl? Jewelry, tools, grandma's silverware?
I clean three records at a time in the 6L. I could do 4 with the 10L tank.
The 6L tank come with a basket to clean jewelry or parts but I have never used it for such. I do have a small ultrasonic cleaner for jewelry, etc.
Carl - what solution do you use in your ultrasonic setup? Homemade like Scorpio?
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Scorp,
Hit me up before you order. We can split the shipping. Currently just using a drop or two of dishwashing liquid. Probably need something a little more exotic....
Mike
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I ordered the last Tergikleen from Amazon, they had five this morning so I got nervous.
The Tergikleen wasn’t my first choice. I was looking to get Triton X100 and Hepastat 256. The Triton is $28 on Amazon or $22 ($11 plus $11 shipping) from Talas for a pint. You only use 20 drops per gallon. The Hepastat lowers static, but it’s almost $50 for a gallon and you use even less than the Triton. An alternative for the Hepastat is some type of makeup making chemical. I’m working on a different source for that stuff, but it will be a long shot.
EN, since I grabbed the last one I’ll split it with you if want half.
Honestly the threads on this stuff is crazy. Multiple 100 page threads, way too much info to dissect. Probably best to start simple and then tinker later.
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I use the Tergikleen.
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The Hepastat lowers static, but it’s almost $50 for a gallon and you use even less than the Triton.
Get yourself a Zerostat.
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Get yourself a Zerostat.
I've got one of those. If adding a couple of drops to the cleaning solution lowered the chances of static, why not? Even at $50 for a gallon it's cheaper than a Zerostat nowadays. 6/half dozen
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I ordered the last Tergikleen from Amazon, they had five this morning so I got nervous.
The Tergikleen wasn’t my first choice. I was looking to get Triton X100 and Hepastat 256. The Triton is $28 on Amazon or $22 ($11 plus $11 shipping) from Talas for a pint. You only use 20 drops per gallon. The Hepastat lowers static, but it’s almost $50 for a gallon and you use even less than the Triton. An alternative for the Hepastat is some type of makeup making chemical. I’m working on a different source for that stuff, but it will be a long shot.
EN, since I grabbed the last one I’ll split it with you if want half.
Honestly the threads on this stuff is crazy. Multiple 100 page threads, way too much info to dissect. Probably best to start simple and then tinker later.
You guys are relatively close to each other, share the cost and group-buy!
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Hey Scorp
I'll be glad to split the Tergicleen with you Based on how little we are going to use, it might be a lifetime supply!!
EN
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Hey Scorp
I'll be glad to split the Tergicleen with you Based on how little we are going to use, it might be a lifetime supply!!
EN
Sounds good. I’ll have to figure out a way to split it up when it arrives tomorrow. I have to run over to Bowser in West Mifflin on Saturday for some tranny fluid. I’ll be trading my man card in to get it, I accidentally drained the tranny instead of the oil. One of the dumbest things I’ve ever done. Anyway, I may be able to meet you over that way that day, if that works. If not, we’ll figure something out. No rush, just figured I’d be over closer to you.
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I have to run over to Bowser in West Mifflin on Saturday for some tranny fluid. I’ll be trading my man card in to get it, I accidentally drained the tranny instead of the oil. One of the dumbest things I’ve ever done.
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Thanks guys. I've ordered a 10L tank and 4 record vinyl stack.
Can you share where you purchased the tank?
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Thanks guys. I've ordered a 10L tank and 4 record vinyl stack.
Can you share where you purchased the tank?
eBay. Went with the cheap one. Crossing my fingers it turns out better than the oil change!
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I accidentally drained the tranny instead of the oil. One of the dumbest things I’ve ever done.
hahaha this made my day! you get your man card back having the balls to announce to the world you made this mistake. I hope it was a front wheel drive transaxle setup, that could explain the confusion!
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I accidentally drained the tranny instead of the oil. One of the dumbest things I’ve ever done.
hahaha this made my day! you get your man card back having the balls to announce to the world you made this mistake. I hope it was a front wheel drive transaxle setup, that could explain the confusion!
AWD Subaru. The only defense I have is the plastic skid plate hides the oil pan drain plug, but not the tranny plug. Basically a result of doing too many things at the same time.
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I can barely do one thing at a time. It's probably time to apply for one of those Medical Marijuana cards. I have read it's the cure for all ailments......
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I can barely do one thing at a time. It's probably time to apply for one of those Medical Marijuana cards. I have read it's the cure for all ailments......
Clinton never inhaled and Snoop never exhaled, somewhere in the middle is the sweet spot.
Not sure if I should make a new thread or just continue on here. I set everything up last night. 2 gallons of deionized water from Whole Paycheck. 12 drops of Tergikleen. EN, I have yours separated and ready. 33 degrees, 1.5 revs per minute for 15 minutes. Put 4 records in that I’ve been unhappy with, pops and clicks throughout. After the 15 minutes, I rinsed them with deionized water and vacuumed them on the VPI. Played 3 of the 4, very strange outcome. The first inch or so of each side is still noisy, the rest is awesome, just a few clicks. These were recordsi had previously cleaned on the VPI with little to no improvement. So far I’m sold, I’ll be doing more tomorrow.
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That first inch is where people grab them with their thumbs. After a few days, clean with an Iso/Dawn solution on your VPI (to loosen greasy deposits), then US again. My guess is you can get them even quieter.