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Title: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: Sir Thrift-a-Lot on June 27, 2019, 09:56:14 PM
Who do you think are the winners and losers?
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: MacGeek on June 28, 2019, 06:19:20 AM
I am afraid it's we the people who are the losers
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: ST-Rider on June 28, 2019, 07:51:43 AM
Well, hopefully once this 4 year nightmare is over, it will change...
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: vpgh on June 28, 2019, 12:11:02 PM
Nice topic. It's Friday!

Well, I don't have so much time to watch that kind of things. Most of the people like me will watch on TV who won later. Right now I hear some weird sentences like : No student's debts, no commercial medical care at all. Is it time for socialism or communism in US now?
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: Sir Thrift-a-Lot on June 28, 2019, 12:43:24 PM
I prefer socialism to the fascism we currently have.
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: vpgh on June 28, 2019, 01:03:38 PM
I prefer socialism to the fascism we currently have.
I have a question to you: Can the person who knows English only translate from English to Japanese (without Google for sure)? Or the person  who knows Japanese only translate from English to Japanese? Or both of them together?
Thanks
 ;)
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: Sir Thrift-a-Lot on June 28, 2019, 03:08:46 PM
I prefer socialism to the fascism we currently have.
I have a question to you: Can the person who knows English only translate from English to Japanese (without Google for sure)? Or the person  who knows Japanese only translate from English to Japanese? Or both of them together?
Thanks
 ;)

I'm not interested in riddles.   Right now the student loan system is fascist.   It is public risk for private profit.   Either give the interest back to the taxpayers or let the banks own the risk.   It's not a question of things being "free", it's asking what do we want to invest in, an educated populace or an antiquated bomber?   It really is that simple.
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: scorpio333 on June 28, 2019, 03:29:46 PM
(https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/0713/28/eagles-joe-walsh-president-1980_1_02b4bf7d73fdae0cf256b73b9f343d26.jpg)
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: vpgh on June 28, 2019, 03:41:42 PM

I'm not interested in riddles.   Right now the student loan system is fascist.   It is public risk for private profit.   Either give the interest back to the taxpayers or let the banks own the risk.   It's not a question of things being "free", it's asking what do we want to invest in, an educated populace or an antiquated bomber?   It really is that simple.
Thanks for your point.
As fresh-baked US Citizen I have been on both sides of the counter and, as Citizen I ask myself all the times for: Who will pay for that? And the obvious answer is WE- you, me and that Joe. Everyone who paying taxes. Do you like 45% of income taxes? Or 10% for the property taxes? Just be prepared for the Socialism.

At other point I have a Master degree in IT related stuff and (funny to say) I took 2 semesters for Philosophy during my university years. Our lovely daughter just graduated from Temple university and yes, she has a BIG debts right now.
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: vpgh on June 28, 2019, 03:49:22 PM
(https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/0713/28/eagles-joe-walsh-president-1980_1_02b4bf7d73fdae0cf256b73b9f343d26.jpg)
Protected speech detected  :)
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: vpgh on June 28, 2019, 03:54:25 PM
I prefer socialism to the fascism we currently have.
I noted an absolutely amazing picture @ Pittsburg Post Gazette this Wed.

And, should I say to any American child (my daughter, whoever) smth like - you might be a dishwasher and save a lot?!
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: Sir Thrift-a-Lot on June 28, 2019, 05:09:40 PM
I prefer socialism to the fascism we currently have.
I noted an absolutely amazing picture @ Pittsburg Post Gazette this Wed.

And, should I say to any American child (my daughter, whoever) smth like - you might be a dishwasher and save a lot?!

That cartoon is a straw man.   The PG should be ashamed.
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: vpgh on June 28, 2019, 06:25:36 PM

That cartoon is a straw man.   The PG should be ashamed.
Thank you to help me expand my vocabulary, especially in urban dictionary. However, as newcomer, I don't clearly understand what's wrong with PG picture. Could you be honest to explain?

On other side, please take a look for the student's debts as derivative of income, take a Russia .vs. America.
Disclaimer: I've never live in Russia and I'm never been Russian citizen. Just some business trips. And I can speak in Russian fluently. Finally, I don't like to insult anyone.

1) the average cost of  tuition in Russian university is about 5k/year. (1st line at Google search and confirmed my friend from Russia).No transportation and living expenses included. The GDP per capita in Russia is $11,288.9 in 2018 by Worldbank data. Seems as  44% of average annual income.
2)  the average cost of  tuition in American (US) university is about $26,290k/year(out of state). (1st line at Google search and confirmed by my family case). The GDP per capita in US  is $62,641.0 in 2018 by Worldbank data. Seems as  42% of average annual income.

The HUGE difference between cost of tuition in America & Russia that is NO FAFSA in Russia and average APR much more than 6%. Moreover, mortgage APR in Russia is about 10% right now (Most of the proof in Russian).

The current situation with student's loans affordability seems much better in US as result.
Just the digits. Nothing BIASED ;)
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: Sir Thrift-a-Lot on June 28, 2019, 06:38:41 PM

That cartoon is a straw man.   The PG should be ashamed.
Thank you to help me expand my vocabulary, especially in urban dictionary. However, as newcomer, I don't clearly understand what's wrong with PG picture. Could you be honest to explain?



Sure.   Nobody, especially AOC, ever said that America's border is a concentration camp.   Some people have compared the facilities where immigrant children are kept in cages to concentration camps.   Furthermore, nobody is scaling the walls to get into one of those facilities.   The cartoon is completely bogus.
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: Sir Thrift-a-Lot on June 28, 2019, 06:51:56 PM
BTW, the PG had a great cartoonist for a couple decades until they fired him for being too liberal.   Print media is pretty much useless these days with just a few exceptions.   Often times, the best coverage of US politics comes from The Guardian UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jun/17/pittsburgh-post-gazette-rob-rogers-cartoons (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jun/17/pittsburgh-post-gazette-rob-rogers-cartoons)
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: vpgh on June 28, 2019, 07:48:59 PM

On other side, please take a look for the student's debts as derivative of income, take a Russia .vs. America.
Disclaimer: I've never live in Russia and I'm never been Russian citizen. Just some business trips. And I can speak in Russian fluently. Finally, I don't like to insult anyone.

1) the average cost of  tuition in Russian university is about 5k/year. (1st line at Google search and confirmed my friend from Russia).No transportation and living expenses included. The GDP per capita in Russia is $11,288.9 in 2018 by Worldbank data. Seems as  44% of average annual income.
2)  the average cost of  tuition in American (US) university is about $26,290k/year(out of state). (1st line at Google search and confirmed by my family case). The GDP per capita in US  is $62,641.0 in 2018 by Worldbank data. Seems as  42% of average annual income.

2 Everyone:
I'm faithfully waiting for about an hour. Now is the TIME: Have you heard something about fake news?
Definitely yes. In different content, in different meanings.

I would like to demonstrate how to make the fake news by simple example: please read the quote one more time. What's wrong? I wrote  student's debts as derivative of income. The next lines are about GDP... GDP per capita is not equal personal income... It's one of the myriad ways to pour the fake news.

All the digits quoted are correct. However, the whole picture is little bit different, especially you take the panel (age/gender/race etc.) for the consideration.

Anyway, availability of college/university education is better in US than in former USSR.   
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: scorpio333 on June 29, 2019, 07:20:28 PM
(https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/0713/28/eagles-joe-walsh-president-1980_1_02b4bf7d73fdae0cf256b73b9f343d26.jpg)
Protected speech detected  :)

Joe Walsh "really" did run for president in 1980. His campaign was Free Gas for Everyone.

As for current politics, when almost half of eligible voters don't show up to vote it's not a positive sign. We certainly do care enough to complain. Sheeple gonna sheeple. Kill the two party media system and get people to THINK for themselves.
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: Sir Thrift-a-Lot on June 29, 2019, 08:42:52 PM
(https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/0713/28/eagles-joe-walsh-president-1980_1_02b4bf7d73fdae0cf256b73b9f343d26.jpg)
Protected speech detected  :)

Joe Walsh "really" did run for president in 1980. His campaign was Free Gas for Everyone.

As for current politics, when almost half of eligible voters don't show up to vote it's not a positive sign. We certainly do care enough to complain. Sheeple gonna sheeple. Kill the two party media system and get people to THINK for themselves.

 :-*
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: Dicky on June 29, 2019, 08:56:10 PM
http://youtu.be/F6aR6il3RgA (http://youtu.be/F6aR6il3RgA)

AOC didn
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: Dicky on June 29, 2019, 09:02:31 PM
F
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: Sir Thrift-a-Lot on June 29, 2019, 09:46:16 PM
[url]http://youtu.be/F6aR6il3RgA[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/F6aR6il3RgA[/url])

AOC didn


Is she wrong?
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: vpgh on July 02, 2019, 09:01:11 PM

Sure.   Nobody, especially AOC, ever said that America's border is a concentration camp. 

Ree-eally?!
Yes, she does.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-concentration-camp-border-reaction-20190624-wqclvakouzegrkre22rl4dvoqe-story.html (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-concentration-camp-border-reaction-20190624-wqclvakouzegrkre22rl4dvoqe-story.html)

And, specially for those, who are fans of AOC
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/451172-holocaust-survivor-who-offered-to-tour-auschwitz-with-ocasio-cortez-calls-for (https://thehill.com/homenews/house/451172-holocaust-survivor-who-offered-to-tour-auschwitz-with-ocasio-cortez-calls-for)

However, these links are specially not from Fox or NYT.
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: Sir Thrift-a-Lot on July 02, 2019, 09:52:49 PM
She did NOT say that the border is a concentration camp.   She said there are concentration camps at the border.   Just like I said when responding to the cartoon.   NOBODY is trying to fight their way into one of those camps.

America is the land of the free.   Of course people want to be here.   But nobody wants to be in one of those camps.   If you can't see the difference then there is probably little point in trying to educate you further.

There are evil men in positions of power in this country and every true American will stand up to them.   We always have.
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: Sir Thrift-a-Lot on July 02, 2019, 10:00:58 PM
We used to be the light on the hill.   We stared the United Nations to try to get a unified force for good.   Now they are warning us.   It's heartbreaking.

https://www.voanews.com/usa/un-urges-us-end-detention-immigrants-asylum-seekers (https://www.voanews.com/usa/un-urges-us-end-detention-immigrants-asylum-seekers)

Our current administration is full of international criminals.   That is the fact.
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: Sir Thrift-a-Lot on July 02, 2019, 11:22:33 PM

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/451172-holocaust-survivor-who-offered-to-tour-auschwitz-with-ocasio-cortez-calls-for (https://thehill.com/homenews/house/451172-holocaust-survivor-who-offered-to-tour-auschwitz-with-ocasio-cortez-calls-for)



That silly old codger says that nobody is being forced to be there.   Do these photos look like free people to you?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/help-photos-show-hundreds-migrants-squashed-cells-appealing-assistance-n1025831?fbclid=IwAR0pYFzifVQSatQ3JCtEedzzF7RJuYK0xLlbtXKgeumQFh0xz-DSpZnErpk (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/help-photos-show-hundreds-migrants-squashed-cells-appealing-assistance-n1025831?fbclid=IwAR0pYFzifVQSatQ3JCtEedzzF7RJuYK0xLlbtXKgeumQFh0xz-DSpZnErpk)

And he doesn't get to use his ethnicity as a carte blanche opinion on the matter.   Plenty of Jews disagree with him.

https://www.newsweek.com/over-30-jewish-protesters-arrested-after-blocking-access-ice-facility-1446751 (https://www.newsweek.com/over-30-jewish-protesters-arrested-after-blocking-access-ice-facility-1446751)
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: vpgh on July 03, 2019, 01:01:50 PM

As for current politics, when almost half of eligible voters don't show up to vote it's not a positive sign. We certainly do care enough to complain. Sheeple gonna sheeple. Kill the two party media system and get people to THINK for themselves.
Thank you for this post. I absolutely agree, people have to think, not just follow to political leaders / persons.
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: vpgh on July 03, 2019, 01:04:22 PM

America is the land of the free.   Of course people want to be here.   But nobody wants to be in one of those camps.   If you can't see the difference then there is probably little point in trying to educate you further.


STaL, I really appreciate for the advice. I educate myself every day, every minute.  I have to speak & write English (not my native language) every day to do my job and being a social, I take additional professional Certifications right now, moreover, I try to study smth in field of Electronic Art, and I would like to know more about political system in US. However, I never graduated at Boston conservatory but I have some printed article and interview in mass-media, and, Im not bulled by everyone in US for my broken English.

The other couple questions to you: did you ever visit former Concentration Camp in Europe? Did you have any experience visiting jail or prison in US? Did you ever visit countries in Europe/ around the World? How many times and how often?
Thanks
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: vpgh on July 03, 2019, 02:14:26 PM
We used to be the light on the hill.   

and that light is not a formal invitation, right?
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: vpgh on July 03, 2019, 02:18:54 PM

Our current administration is full of international criminals.   That is the fact.

Any proofs on that statement? I use to contact with official clerks 5 days a week due to my job responsibilities (yeah, 7 days some weeks) and Ive heard a bunch of the stories regarding something that might be called "misbehavior" at least.
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: Sir Thrift-a-Lot on July 03, 2019, 02:32:30 PM

America is the land of the free.   Of course people want to be here.   But nobody wants to be in one of those camps.   If you can't see the difference then there is probably little point in trying to educate you further.


STaL, I really appreciate for the advice. I educate myself every day, every minute.  I have to speak & write English (not my native language) every day to do my job and being a social, I take additional professional Certifications right now, moreover, I try to study smth in field of Electronic Art, and I would like to know more about political system in US. However, I never graduated at Boston conservatory but I have some printed article and interview in mass-media, and, Im not bulled by everyone in US for my broken English.

The other couple questions to you: did you ever visit former Concentration Camp in Europe? Did you have any experience visiting jail or prison in US? Did you ever visit countries in Europe/ around the World? How many times and how often?
Thanks

I didn't bully you.   I pointed out that you made an incorrect statement and explained (again) why it was incorrect.
Title: Re: Anybody watching the debates?
Post by: scorpio333 on July 03, 2019, 07:18:29 PM
We're gonna have tanks!!! It's gonna be great!!! Best ever!!!

-http://youtu.be/LC4ZuQEFMVg

Have a good 4th!